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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:34 PM
I don't really like it when someone makes a jab at what I perceive to be my system's happiness, but maybe thats just me and being sensitive, who knows.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/16/2023 11:34 PM
well, it is true though
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
I don't really like it when someone makes a jab at what I perceive to be my system's happiness, but maybe thats just me and being sensitive, who knows.
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/16/2023 11:35 PM
it was dumb and there was no malice to it, i didnt mean it as a personal thing, in any case, i think that as kitkat said, you can just merge, and let everyone enjoy whatever, you know how to be one people after all, you were for most of your life if im correct (edited)
11:36 PM
Individuality can be nice unless it is just a burden, but remember you can just keep the good from each world.
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:37 PM
Thats very true. We didn't really think about merging, for some reason. We often don't prefer it, but it's an option I did forget about.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/16/2023 11:37 PM
That way you dont need to sacrifice anyones enjoyment for any other
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:37 PM
We've been plural since 2020, unless we weren't, but I don't really think anything otherwise.
11:38 PM
We've managed to get everyone to front and experience something, so I'm happy.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/16/2023 11:39 PM
Another interesting thing is that whoever is not fronting doesnt necesarilly need to get bored or anything...
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/16/2023 11:39 PM
sweet
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/16/2023 11:40 PM
so if whoever is fronting is enjoying you might aswell have enjoyed the whole trip (edited)
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:51 PM
Yep. None of us get "bored" of we aren't in front. It's just less vivid of an experience.
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Juniper (he/him) 🔷 Sapphire Safehaven 3(🏝)0 BOT 6/16/2023 11:51 PM
It’s like live-streaming your trip to an audience
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:51 PM
Yeahh
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Juniper (he/him) 🔷 Sapphire Safehaven 3(🏝)0 BOT 6/16/2023 11:51 PM
With the “chat” being other headmate’s colour commentary
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/16/2023 11:52 PM
i love travelling by watching live stream of other people travelling, so much better experience than dealing with all the tourists
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:53 PM
I surprisingly don't mind. All the tourists I've met have been decent
11:53 PM
You see a white guy, and it's a 25% chance he speaks English, so the language barrier gets old sometimes
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/16/2023 11:53 PM
what if they speak french? hmmm?
11:54 PM
did you think about that
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Seth ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/16/2023 11:54 PM
I've seen lots of French, Dutch, and Rusian people here
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/16/2023 11:54 PM
see
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A long kiss goodnight 6/18/2023 11:31 AM
I have been switched in for 9 days, which has broken my previous fronting record
11:32 AM
I'm going to switch out finally so Gray can do Father's day stuff
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glitchthe3rd 6/19/2023 4:22 AM
my girls (usually) don't mind not being the ones to front
4:22 AM
they're usually content to bug me about doing something until I go do it on my own
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wow.
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: I have been switched in for 9 days, which has broken my previous fronting record
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
what if they speak french? hmmm?
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 6/19/2023 3:54 PM
eww french people
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Does anyone have actual data on the % of human vs nonhuman tulpas
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It varies by where (and when) you run the poll I'd say
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CoppermineKittygirl 6/20/2023 10:23 PM
what classifies as non-human?
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The forum 9 or so years ago would've had a lot more ponies than the current day one, for example
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CoppermineKittygirl
what classifies as non-human?
This is a good question. I’ve been trying to think in where would be logical to draw the line
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Zombies, Skeletons...? Be specific....?
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cringelordthecrt ↩️
Reply to: what classifies as non-human?
10:24 PM
Some could argue a zombie isn't human.
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Zombies, Skeletons...? Be specific....?
@__ - jump irritating cow people that sit on the ceiling?
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The most difficult line is whether furries (and all the variety that entails) count as humanoid or not
10:25 PM
Of course you wouldn't exclude kemonimimi (anime character with animal ears and maybe tail)
10:25 PM
But then.. The line's gotta be somewhere
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Depends on how they are built.
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Luminesce ↩️
Reply to: The most difficult line is whether furries (and all the variety that entails) count as humanoid or n…
10:25 PM
for example.....
10:26 PM
A human has two hands or two limbs at minimum for the torso
10:26 PM
the hips with two limbs there
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I’d love to be able to get a comprehensive survey across as many tulpa spaces as possible. I think the survey would have to break down nonhuman into categories. Like “human with animal features [horns, tails, animal ears, etc], furry/anthro animals, (feral) animals capable of communication, (feral) animals incapable of communication”
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Even if you're liberal with it and consider "human-like" furries as humans or humanoid, then you get to say Gardevoir - surely a Pokemon can't be considered human-like, right?
10:26 PM
So yeah, the line is hard to draw
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It is for sure. But that’s why surveys can have follow up questions
10:27 PM
Multiple data points!
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That's a lot more meaningful tbh, I was just humoring your exact question
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That is why we need to define it with smaller details such as being a anthropod Bipedal
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I would personally ask about realistic human vs anime/stylized vs furry vs animal vs other (skeleton etc.) vs formless or amorphic
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Such as THAT should surely narrow down the line at least by a margin...?
10:29 PM
I'd argue on human like traits... being bipedal...
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Luminesce ↩️
Reply to: I would personally ask about realistic human vs anime/stylized vs furry vs animal vs other (skeleton…
10:29 PM
Two hands two feet
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Do people really even attempt much in the way of data gathering in tulpa spaces?
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Every long once in a while, here and there
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Even than its not THAT detailed.
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Most were when the forum was still popular
10:30 PM
And times have changed a lot
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I'd say so.
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Hm. I mean I guess things are a bit more scattered now, yeah? Tulpamancy is just so niche I feel like you’d really need to pull from multiple sources to get a meaningful dataset
10:31 PM
Plus then you could also break down where the data is pulled from and see if there’s trends that spring up from different sites
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Either way we need a clear cut line.
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Luminesce ↩️
Reply to: Most were when the forum was still popular
10:32 PM
We should start off by disqualifying non bipedal beings.
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More data is better...
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Yes, location changes the data as long as with the trends of people and types of people who make tulpas.
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gravemilk ↩️
Reply to: Plus then you could also break down where the data is pulled from and see if there’s trends that spr…
10:33 PM
Exactly so "chop chop" for all those who want to gather up that data.
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Luminesce ↩️
Reply to: More data is better...
10:34 PM
Make sure to reel it in REALL good, people.
10:34 PM
Now than....
10:34 PM
Let's start off with the traits of humans for starters
10:35 PM
and than compare it to "blurry beings."
10:35 PM
For example what fits in this section of Humanoid and than not.
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Well I would be willing to work up questions for a possible survey and include questions other people are curious about. I think it would be a worthwhile pursuit.
10:40 PM
I know some people in the tulpa community may be a little touchy about being “studied” but perhaps if it’s coming from someone in the community with the intent to make the data public for anyone in the community to analyze it might go over better
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Hi, a question that popped up after reading this is Does having animal form make communication harder for tulpas ??
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Only if you believe that they can't communicate with you directly (edited)
11:29 PM
I've known a couple animal-form tulpas who still talked in mindvoice normally
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Thank you
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A long kiss goodnight 6/22/2023 2:18 PM
Not the DID meme I was reminded of but this grabbed my attention because there is so much to unpack here
2:18 PM
2:19 PM
First of all, I think it's good to think that nobody is a "problem alter", BUT the context of "only happy little system challenges" makes my stomach churn
2:21 PM
Second, I get it's a Bob ross meme, but I to my understanding of traumatic systems, I don't think most system challenges are "happy" or "little". I feel like it's downplaying the struggles they face all the time (edited)
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 2:22 PM
yeah that pretty much summarized what i felt but couldnt put into words
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A long kiss goodnight 6/22/2023 2:22 PM
Third, I think you can have alters that refuse to cooperate, so in that sense they're more difficult than others
2:23 PM
I think "problem alter" isn't the best way to go about it, but knowing certain people need more love and trust is good to have in mind
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To play devils advocate maybe it’s sort of an ironic “grin and bare it”/coping with a difficult situation type meme
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 2:33 PM
thats also possible
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A long kiss goodnight 6/22/2023 2:34 PM
I agree, that's fair
2:35 PM
In general I'm not a huge fan of the ignore your feelings or the shut up and move on approach
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 2:38 PM
same !!
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 2:38 PM
its probably what milk said
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 6/22/2023 2:39 PM
narration you build in did treatment plays a huge role
2:39 PM
it’s just a meme and someone probably made it for jokes but i don’t disagree with the message
2:40 PM
someone can start by seeing an alter as problematic and working towards a different approach to them is very helpful
2:41 PM
an alternative is sticking to the „problematic alter” label, talk about them like a problematic alter, act as a problematic alter towards other people… that will only strengthen the behaviour and enable it
2:43 PM
if someone goes to someone (a friend, therapist, anyone) and says „i think i got a problematic alter” early enough and the person reassures and normalises it, it has much better prognosis for healing than sticking to communities surrounded by people enabling unhealthy behaviours
2:44 PM
someone that has been enabled for months or years would probably get very trigfered by that meme
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A long kiss goodnight 6/22/2023 2:48 PM
I agree the problematic alter label is bad, I'm just not a fan of the stuff your feelings part
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 6/22/2023 2:49 PM
sorry, which part?
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